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one realizes very quickly we've been

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I had access to to all those programs

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40 feet long no windows no no real wings

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or control surfaces no obvious signs of

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propulsion and yet this object is

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witnessed Now by four separate

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individuals in two separate aircraft

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hey guys welcome back to another live

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interview here on the disclosure team

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YouTube channel

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um but quickly before I bring on my

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guest I just want to say please keep the

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chat nice and polite and it's okay to

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have difference of opinion but just you

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know keep it cool if you do have any

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questions please pop them in capital

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letters but I cannot guarantee I will

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get to ask them all because we've got

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quite a lot of notes and things to go

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through here with John so let's jump

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straight into it guys again thank you

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for being here so John Burris is a

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native of Illinois entered the U.S Air

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Force in 1979 and served over 26 years

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he was assigned to RAF bent Waters in

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June of 1979 as a base policeman in

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December 1980 John and others witnessed

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unusual lights in renderson Forest guys

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please welcome John Burris John how are

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you good how are you tonight I'm really

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good thank you again for doing this I

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really appreciate it well thank you for

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having me on

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so John I know rendersham's obviously a

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huge case a huge story that a lot of

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people are aware of but if it's okay

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with you I'd like you to sort of just

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talk us through the the event uh over

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those three nights in 1980 from your

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perspective

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um and who was where and when and then

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that just so we can sort of piece it

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together

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sure um one of the things I want to give

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a little bit of access to is that before

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I go on to the three nights that you

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want to talk about is there have been

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stuff seen prior to these three nights

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different things that have gone on

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around the base in December maybe even

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earlier than that and even a year before

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somebody had an interesting sighting at

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the end of the runway and then after our

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event there was other things that took

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place

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um over the next series of weeks so this

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wasn't like just a three-night event

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which is kind of rare in the first place

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you usually don't see things go on but

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you have a short maybe Encounter of

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siding or something and that's it it

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never happens again for us the people

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that were involved it was a three-night

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you know I call it Fiasco

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so it started

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um we came on duty on our last midnight

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shift which would have been Christmas

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night because if you if you go back and

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you want to research this the hot memo

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that got released to the news of the

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world was wrong

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it was

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um I've never been able to narrow him

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down totally on why he did it but

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there's speculation but he said in

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interviews over the years that he wrote

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it off our statements blotters and

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everything else was interesting enough

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the blotters disappeared shortly

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afterwards they were classified

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and then years later he um he released

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our statements and it verified that it

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happened at o300 on the 26th of December

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we were I was on duty on patrol with my

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supervisor just been newly assigned to

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the base it was a dead night a

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Woodbridge so they wanted to ride around

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for an hour or two together just to talk

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about stuff and there was another caveat

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that never came out until now when uh an

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individual that worked inside OSI openly

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stated that the OSI was running a drug

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bust sting up at the dorms up by the

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main gate and they wanted us also

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completely out of that area where they

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didn't want to seam any patrol car any

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law enforcement activity so we were

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staying away from that whole area we

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were down by the flight line in that

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area so we were out driving around and

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as we went down the Flatland road

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towards the east gate

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there was uh he saw my supervisor saw it

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at first he saw some strange lights it

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looked like he said what he said is he

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got my attention was he saw them above

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the tree line going into the tree line

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so he got my attention to look at it I

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looked at it and I'd been there a year

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and a half and I've been down at that

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gate at night before even stationed when

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it was open and he said have you seen

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anything like that in the forest and

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they go no so we opened up the gate

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drove down to the road where there was a

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t where you could go left towards bent

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Waters or right I forget the village

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there's a British Village to write and

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he kind of did a u-turn in the middle of

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the road

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um and I opened the door so I could get

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out I looked into the forest as soon as

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I opened the door it didn't feel right

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it was like an electricity in the air

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stagnant I wouldn't say it felt totally

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like slow motion but it just felt like

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your body wasn't

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acting feeling right so we both kind of

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got spooked and we were off base we were

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off base and nobody knew we were there

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because we decided to take a closer look

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before we even let anybody know because

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probably once we caught in something

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like that it was going to cause a

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problem and it did so we went back up to

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the gate called on the direct line so it

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wouldn't go over the frequencies it was

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Christmas night early Boxing Day morning

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uh they were it was mostly it was very

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relaxed for the type of Base we had they

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even had one of the channels playing

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Christmas music kind of to keep people

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you know it's it's a bummer when you're

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stationed overseas from your family if

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you don't get in there with you you're

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married and stuff so I called on the

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phone

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and try to explain to the the law

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enforcement death Sergeant who I was

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friends with but I played practical

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jokes on what we were seeing he didn't

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have nothing to do with it he figured we

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were yanking his chain so my supervisor

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tried to convince him and he wouldn't

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accept it so he transferred us from the

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desk to the CSC who he then my

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supervisor explained to him what was

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going on and he sat down the Security

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Supervisor for Woodbridge which was

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Sergeant Venison and he came down to the

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gate and saw the same strange things in

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the woods it was lit up it was like at

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one point it looked like there was a

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bright white light that was in the

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forest that might have been even coming

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towards the road down towards the road

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from where we were at and there was

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different colored lights in it I've said

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over the years it looked like almost

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like a Christmas light display like blue

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red green and um so peniston confirmed

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it and then there was a discussion and

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this is our second hand or whatever

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second hand I wasn't on the phone this

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is what relayed to us and even there was

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a brief radio transmission at one point

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they they made some phone calls they

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called rapcon which was our radar system

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they called Eastern radar which was the

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radar system was in charge of the entire

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UK air defense and somehow Heathrow

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Tower got involved I don't know but the

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the

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spotted something that was on radar

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above the forest in that area that

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disappeared off a radar so people always

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question why we want our base and that's

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always been kind of tried to be

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pushed under the rug by our shift

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commander who did talk one time he

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I don't know who he talked to behind the

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scenes in our chain of command but after

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the radar confirmation we were seeing

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strange lights in the woods he

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authorized us to go off base to

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investigate the British authorities were

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notified the British police and the fire

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department now there's been stories that

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I've read that I don't have a handle

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even the fire department the British

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fire department did come out to the area

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at one point while we were out there

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but so we went down there was three of

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us that went uh pennison kabansack who

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was his writer and believe it or not it

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was his first night on duty wow and he

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actually thought maybe there was a

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practical joke going on himself because

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we always used to they always used to

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screw at the movies and and then stefans

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didn't want to go number one he didn't

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like the feeling of any of it but two

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one of the two sergeants had to stay

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behind

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anyway because he had to leave somebody

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in charge at least until the calvary

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came which eventually more people showed

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up so the three of us went off into the

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woods

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and we went down a service road a Forest

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um the lights seemed to get closer uh we

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got to a point where we couldn't go in

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the vehicle anymore and we had to get

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out and go on foot it did play like cat

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and mouse with this a little bit at one

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point it was like maybe we thought it

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was one pot spot and then all of a

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sudden maybe it was behind us but

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eventually when we got close to it and

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this is where all this Lighthouse stuff

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comes up which always gets played up

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into but I will tell you the lighthouse

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was involved through research we found

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out it was and I'll tell you why in a

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minute but

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we had some kind of interaction when we

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were coming up to it there was like a

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burn as we came up to the top of the

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berm all of a sudden there was these

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lights that were there and it got really

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bright white and then we hit the ground

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and basically all I remember at that

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point from that point on me personally

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and kabansack has done an interview for

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James Fox at one point he stated that

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when we got close to the Drew as well I

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drew my weapon I don't remember I I

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thought I left my weapon up the gate but

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he his memory was I had my weapon and I

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drew it and then we all blacked out now

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by all he said he did which I don't

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remember anything from that point but

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pennison has a completely different

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story yeah from that point on but

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basically then all of a sudden what I

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remember seeing is it kind of dimmed

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lifted up something lifted up through

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the forest and shot off to the Cubs at

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that point I remember getting up with

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kabansack and peniston and we went

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forward across the the fence that went

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into the farmer's field and went out

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into the two different fields heading

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towards the coast where I actually

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remember

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capacity pennison split off from us for

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a little bit went to the left and we

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went straight and I remember getting out

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by the coast where we could see a

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lighthouse now in our statements Ed and

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I wrote that we could see a beacon at

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one point but we saw the beacon after

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the initial interaction sure and we

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didn't see the lighthouse Beacon until

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we got down by the road from the one

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Farmersville Crossing it by these

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Cottages were down there and contrary to

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some people's speculation I'd been there

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but I wasn't really from the gate you

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couldn't see the lighthouse period And

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I'd never been out in the forest like

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that before so I really you'd heard

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there's a lighthouse out there but I'd

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never seen it before that night right

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and Ed had just gotten there so he

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didn't know so I can only say Ed and I

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what we did we saw a beacon but we

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clearly identified it when we got to

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this ledge looking down as the beaker

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but along the way we also saw some other

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strings lights first by the cottages at

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the end of the um the first field and

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then farther out we saw a brief streak

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of light

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um up in the sky so

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so that was the first night and we came

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back to the base uh there was people

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there they asked us you know kind of

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what happened I I did I was fortunate in

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some ways I didn't have to say much I

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wasn't in charge I just kind of got my

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mouth shut so that was the first night

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um the second night I wasn't involved

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but the uh shift commander and the on

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duty security fight Chief this was the

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new flight we went on break Saturday

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morning

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night the shift commander and the

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security flight Chief had an interaction

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and it actually one of the blue lights

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shot the shift Commander's Jeep off

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shut it down she got relieved the duty

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and

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what happened to her afterwards but

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Holland said that she she was removed

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from the base right afterwards she left

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and she had just gotten there and she

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actually should have been on duty night

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three which was the famous night with

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halt being out there with the team

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in the forest

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you know the tape was made yeah I met up

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with his team I actually found out about

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night two in the morning of the third

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day before the third night happened when

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I go I was up on the base and I went to

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the dorm because I lived that base and

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talked to a couple guys I was with that

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were involved with me not they weren't

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out there when it happened but they were

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around afterwards and with the first

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night so we decided to go out there on

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our own

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just to go out in the forest to sit down

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and figure out

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what was going on when we got out there

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it was already all kinds of stuff going

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on they had they had people out in the

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forest saying Lighthouse set up in the

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staging area halt was out front of the

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the lighthouse with that team that's

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where the tape was made

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he alleges that was where he made the

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tape was well we had our first encounter

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you know I don't know I wasn't there

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when he was recording it and eventually

351
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I got before I met with him and it's I

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didn't hear he didn't talk about it on

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the radio but on the tape he says there

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was a beam of light coming in his feet

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and then it shot off towards the base

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well right I think right in there

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because if you coordinate right before

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we met up with them and they were

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starting to come back they actually a

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beam a blue light Shot Through the Trees

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in front of us where the staging area

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was swooped down through the staging

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area and lit up the lighthouse that

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hadn't been working

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wow and then uh they went through the

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truck that were one of the guys that

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came out with me you know that we came

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out together and he jumped in the truck

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and it went through the truck shot up

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into the sky and disappeared so then

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um I went forward and all this can be

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verified on the halt tape you'll hear

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that they'll say Airman Bros and two

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other Personnel were out and want to

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come to your location sard ball comes on

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and says that at this time we'll let

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them know when they can come out now

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over the years Hall it first started to

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deny the bestenza and I were never

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involved then once the um the the tape

381
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got cleaned up and released the stints

382
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is all over the tape and then my name's

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mentioned then he tried to deny the

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Stinson I went in front of him but we

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came up with evidence and support we

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were with the interview he did and he

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slipped up and said we were so then he's

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openly in his book admitted that the

389
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stenz and I once I met up with the party

390
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there were some strange lights that were

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out in front of us that came down into

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the that was part of the forest from the

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field we were standing and then and then

394
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let Adrian and I go forward

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and we we took off started going towards

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it

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seemed to be coming towards us the um I

398
00:15:46,370 --> 00:15:44,399
was in we had one radio and as it was

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getting closer to us we asked for

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permission to go right up on top of it

401
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and the the whiskey Tower gave us

402
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permission and we started running as we

403
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were running but Stinson went down to

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the ground

405
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and I seem to be getting really close to

406
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it and then the next thing I know I'm

407
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standing there and it's gone

408
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and I turn back and look at the stenza's

409
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:09,720
starting to stand back up now in our

410
00:16:14,269 --> 00:16:12,240
book weaponization of the UAP Adrian

411
00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:14,279
wrote what he saw happen and what he

412
00:16:18,170 --> 00:16:16,620
said happened was I went into it and

413
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disappeared

414
00:16:23,329 --> 00:16:20,940
and it actually part of it came over him

415
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and touched part of his body his hand

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his arm

417
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and um then I reappeared

418
00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:30,420
so that's the essence of the first three

419
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nights the three nights that I was

420
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involved

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and I appreciate that thank you for sort

422
00:16:38,269 --> 00:16:36,899
of clearing that up because it's so

423
00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:38,279
blurry out there when you read different

424
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,620
things online it's I find it a very

425
00:16:44,509 --> 00:16:42,240
difficult case to kind of research and

426
00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:44,519
piece together so I do appreciate that

427
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,920
and and what I'd like to come back to is

428
00:16:50,569 --> 00:16:48,959
the the lighthouse but not specifically

429
00:16:53,090 --> 00:16:50,579
the lighthouse but where it is Orford

430
00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:53,100
Ness and I'd like to sort of talk about

431
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,380
what's what was going on at orfordness

432
00:17:00,410 --> 00:16:57,839
and had been for decades before

433
00:17:01,790 --> 00:17:00,420
um Cobra mist and radar things like that

434
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:01,800
so if you could kind of well they

435
00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:04,799
actually if you if to look at the

436
00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:07,020
history which is in our book they

437
00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:08,699
actually radar was developed off the

438
00:17:13,370 --> 00:17:11,040
death row and that's the Death Race

439
00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:13,380
lasers and they were working on lasers

440
00:17:18,350 --> 00:17:15,540
that um

441
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that that's how they discovered radar so

442
00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:19,919
they were working on that they also did

443
00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:22,919
nuclear stuff down there and I I don't

444
00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:24,360
have it in front of me so I don't want

445
00:17:27,409 --> 00:17:25,620
to screw it up so somebody could say

446
00:17:29,030 --> 00:17:27,419
he's wrong about something but they were

447
00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:29,040
also doing some kind of nuclear work

448
00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:31,320
down there I forget what it was some

449
00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:34,200
testing and stuff so but when I brought

450
00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:35,820
up the lighthouse what was interesting

451
00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:38,160
was the black power which we talked

452
00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:39,360
about in the book

453
00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:42,600
is was the original radar that they

454
00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:45,299
developed and they actually still is

455
00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:48,000
operational and they had taken cables

456
00:17:52,130 --> 00:17:50,280
and ran it to the lighthouse and they

457
00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:52,140
were using the lighthouse as an em

458
00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:53,520
frequency

459
00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:55,140
um blasting the forest with em

460
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:58,440
frequencies during our

461
00:18:02,990 --> 00:18:01,620
so that involves some of the technology

462
00:18:05,510 --> 00:18:03,000
they're working never mind you had

463
00:18:08,570 --> 00:18:05,520
Martin Heath that during that very frame

464
00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:08,580
same time which again people like people

465
00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:10,980
will hear an explanation and somebody

466
00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:12,600
will say well SDI didn't start till

467
00:18:17,870 --> 00:18:15,780
Reagan no that's not true SDI was being

468
00:18:21,049 --> 00:18:17,880
developed in the 70s worked on maybe

469
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even earlier than that and after MK

470
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:23,220
Ultra happened in the states and all

471
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that stuff with the CIA and the mind

472
00:18:28,730 --> 00:18:26,460
control and all that that was going on

473
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,740
all that stuff was being shut down by

474
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Carter and it got moved over to an sap

475
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program over to the UK where they were

476
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:36,179
working Marston Heath at the time was a

477
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joint Air Force British facility

478
00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:41,760
and Marconi was on the British side

479
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working with the Americans and they were

480
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actually working on SDI

481
00:18:50,270 --> 00:18:49,080
and if you go deep into this several of

482
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the scientists that were there during

483
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our time frame later on mysteriously

484
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committed suicide

485
00:19:01,549 --> 00:18:58,500
that were working on drones the EM

486
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,559
frequencies and stuff like that and they

487
00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:03,120
mysteriously committed suicide and

488
00:19:08,270 --> 00:19:05,220
speculation was the Soviets knocked them

489
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,280
off because we there were the Americans

490
00:19:12,169 --> 00:19:10,080
and the British were getting catching up

491
00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:12,179
and going ahead of the Soviets who at

492
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:14,580
the time actually had an advancement

493
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:17,039
when this all started they figured out

494
00:19:21,049 --> 00:19:18,960
the Soviets have been working on plasmas

495
00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:21,059
and this kind of stuff and they were way

496
00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:22,980
ahead of us and then we were catching up

497
00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:25,980
if not maybe moving ahead of them

498
00:19:30,529 --> 00:19:28,140
so all this was going on with Arya

499
00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:30,539
bowsey and their radar systems it's all

500
00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:32,460
described in the book

501
00:19:36,770 --> 00:19:34,380
um and and marlson Heath and what they

502
00:19:39,289 --> 00:19:36,780
were working on never mind there was a

503
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scientist down there working with a

504
00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:41,520
university that they had identified an

505
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,020
energy phenomenon which goes back to

506
00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:44,880
what you asked about Cobra Miss which

507
00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:46,980
gets misconstrued Cobra must have been

508
00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,980
shut down by that time but it got shut

509
00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:52,140
down because of an inland anomaly that

510
00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:54,360
was interfering with the system it's

511
00:19:58,430 --> 00:19:56,280
right in the write-up of it in the

512
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documents and they brought in a team

513
00:20:03,049 --> 00:20:00,600
from Sri which is Stanford Research

514
00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:03,059
Institute to figure out what was going

515
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:05,400
on because and they actually identified

516
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,799
the anomaly and eventually they shut

517
00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:10,080
down the radar and it may have been too

518
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:11,400
because they had better systems

519
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:13,140
developed by that too but you don't

520
00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:14,640
spend that kind of money in at least

521
00:20:20,029 --> 00:20:16,440
operation they couldn't make it work

522
00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:20,039
right so but the SRA team stayed and

523
00:20:25,130 --> 00:20:22,200
they stayed at Marta samith and at bat

524
00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:25,140
Waters so they were all there most

525
00:20:28,909 --> 00:20:27,000
likely working on including the

526
00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:28,919
phenomena itself whatever the anomaly

527
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:29,880
was

528
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:31,919
yeah so debate just so I got it right so

529
00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:33,960
the Inland anomaly

530
00:20:38,210 --> 00:20:35,640
is pretty much what we're saying the

531
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:38,220
phenomenon is well that's what the if

532
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:40,500
you looked at the condo report the guy

533
00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:42,660
that wrote it said some of us were

534
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,900
exposed to UAP radiation well

535
00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:48,480
they identified he never identified what

536
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:50,940
a UAP was other than unidentified aerial

537
00:20:55,490 --> 00:20:53,220
phenomenon but he identified we were

538
00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:55,500
exposed to UAP radiation so therefore

539
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:58,380
yes you could probably say that the

540
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,600
birdies were looking at it as a UAP back

541
00:21:04,730 --> 00:21:02,820
then and even when he wrote the report

542
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:04,740
because he would have had to look at

543
00:21:09,289 --> 00:21:07,140
documents from back then to correlate

544
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,299
this with UAP radiation and all the

545
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:10,799
other stuff he was working on for the

546
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:13,740
report but the Americans didn't really

547
00:21:17,810 --> 00:21:15,720
change it from UFOs

548
00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:17,820
tell uaps

549
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:19,799
you know and tell Hillary Clinton

550
00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:21,720
started making it more famous you know

551
00:21:26,830 --> 00:21:23,940
along with to the stars but interesting

552
00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:26,840
enough identify with the mod

553
00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:29,700
and they actually admitted they held

554
00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:31,500
back a bunch of files

555
00:21:36,649 --> 00:21:34,620
and when I got

556
00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:36,659
some of it they looked like the mod

557
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:38,760
started calling it uaps I believe in

558
00:21:43,850 --> 00:21:42,000
2000. yeah they actually identified and

559
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,860
then the report I believe was and I'm

560
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,240
just saying this Off the Cuffs I don't

561
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:47,039
may have the dates kind of wrong I think

562
00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:49,620
the report was written in six and then

563
00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:52,020
David Clark got it released because he

564
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:53,880
founded this for a flight he did

565
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,880
identified something about a report that

566
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:58,559
he actually did a Foy on and they

567
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:00,600
admitted they had to report but a lot of

568
00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:03,059
it was redacted still so a lot of the

569
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:06,179
report was still classified even after

570
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:07,620
they released what they did and

571
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,460
classified about uaps this and it says

572
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:13,440
in condyn there's there's a energy

573
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,240
forces out there it's intelligent

574
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:17,340
control it's able to do different things

575
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:19,860
and the engineer that wrote it leaves it

576
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,340
with we need to weaponize it yeah now it

577
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,500
was 2 000 the condyn was first published

578
00:22:29,210 --> 00:22:27,120
prior you know

579
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,220
classified version David didn't find it

580
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,440
until 2006 you're right and one thing

581
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,880
that we've been trying to do recently is

582
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:35,100
trying to foyer for the unclassified

583
00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:37,260
version which we have been told multiple

584
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:40,140
times has been destroyed they've not got

585
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:42,900
a copy they're great crazy no you've

586
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:44,220
just seen that you bring that up I don't

587
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:46,260
know if you remember this but when they

588
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:48,120
were releasing their files

589
00:22:53,090 --> 00:22:50,820
the time from rendelson going forward I

590
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,100
forget how many years was all gone

591
00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:55,679
and they came back and said oh it was

592
00:23:00,350 --> 00:22:57,620
accidentally destroyed

593
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,360
they that that was the thing Clark even

594
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:02,220
wrote about it it actually came out and

595
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:04,260
said that the files that what had to do

596
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,419
with reynoldsom had been destroyed

597
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:08,460
so it seems like a lot of stuff with

598
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,980
rental some is supposedly been destroyed

599
00:23:14,930 --> 00:23:13,200
and it went against their protocol which

600
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:14,940
they had to say why it was destroyed and

601
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:16,500
identified who did it and there's no

602
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,840
record anywhere of what happened with it

603
00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:20,940
so basically what they're telling you is

604
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:23,220
it's still classified but if we tell you

605
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,500
that that draws more attention than they

606
00:23:29,149 --> 00:23:27,120
just tell you oops we accidentally

607
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,159
destroyed it yeah because they didn't

608
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:30,960
admit that it was still classified they

609
00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:32,700
just told you it's just no longer

610
00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:33,720
available

611
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,700
yeah you're right and we've got appeals

612
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,159
ongoing but it seems like we're just not

613
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,080
going to get anywhere with that but I

614
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,179
mean let's stick with condyn because and

615
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:43,919
if it's okay with you talk about your

616
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:45,780
medical effects

617
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:47,820
um because there's a correlation between

618
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:50,820
the the lists you know uh Professor

619
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,679
Simon Holland covered it in a recent

620
00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:54,900
interview he did with you that

621
00:23:58,970 --> 00:23:57,059
so let's jump to how how long after the

622
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,980
your the first night did you start

623
00:24:02,690 --> 00:24:01,440
feeling strange effects okay well I want

624
00:24:05,810 --> 00:24:02,700
to go into a little bit about the

625
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:05,820
professor I I appreciate what he's doing

626
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,240
okay but he's not sourcing where he's

627
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:11,039
getting the most of his information from

628
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,260
right most of his information is coming

629
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,600
out of the book we wrote and through the

630
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:18,240
research of when Keach and James Worrell

631
00:24:23,149 --> 00:24:21,419
you know and he's he's drawing a lot of

632
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:23,159
that out of the book and he's never he

633
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:25,799
uses the word Source but the source is

634
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,799
the book and it's what he's doing with

635
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,200
it is giving you a brief outlay if you

636
00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,120
really want a lot of the details office

637
00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:35,940
videos which I'm buying with is go to

638
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:38,280
the book but here's the kicker though he

639
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:40,020
upset me when he said you heard it from

640
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,140
him first which is not true this a lot

641
00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:45,179
of this stuff was found out by James

642
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,820
world and when Keach already knew about

643
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,380
because he had actually worked he

644
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,840
actually had been a pilot in the RAF and

645
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:53,880
he actually worked for the mod he

646
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,140
actually is one of the few people people

647
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,120
that holds a dual engineering degree

648
00:25:01,370 --> 00:24:59,700
which was only one time offered and it

649
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,380
was so complicated and hard to pass

650
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:03,600
harder than anybody did so they've

651
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,539
actually split it up so he owns a degree

652
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,000
that most people don't even own and he

653
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:11,159
did a full analysis of the area the

654
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:13,500
equipment what it would all mean so

655
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:15,000
going forward with your question on

656
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,919
conducting okay

657
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:19,919
right after the event I didn't feel good

658
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:22,679
and went to the hospital the clinic you

659
00:25:27,769 --> 00:25:25,679
know I felt felt crappy and they just

660
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,779
kind of rolled it off as you got the flu

661
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,520
or cold or something they didn't really

662
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:31,980
know and at the time I finally started

663
00:25:36,890 --> 00:25:34,260
feeling better but the thing that

664
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,900
happened to me before the heart problem

665
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,600
was discovered after I PCS back to the

666
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,419
States was my gums turned white at one

667
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:44,400
point we're bleeding a little bit and

668
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:45,240
then

669
00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:47,340
going forward from there I came back to

670
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:50,039
the states after my two years and that's

671
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,140
always been misconstrued I did get

672
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,940
reassigned somewhere at one point

673
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,679
because of randlesome but I didn't get

674
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,720
yanked out of rendez from early I got

675
00:26:01,970 --> 00:25:59,460
yanked and put somewhere I got put over

676
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:01,980
in Asia and Korea after the news of the

677
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,440
world story broke they wanted to hide me

678
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:06,480
over there they had me hidden over there

679
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,000
in Korea with Hall halt was the base

680
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:11,820
commander at kunsan I was at Osan and

681
00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:13,980
Williams is the pacques commander so

682
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:16,260
they stashed us in a spot where none of

683
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,520
the three of us could be talked to

684
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:19,919
because CNN wanted to come over and talk

685
00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:21,779
to us and they weren't allowed go ahead

686
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,360
afterwards so anyway I didn't feel good

687
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
when I came back to the States I was

688
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,559
home I only lived about two hours away

689
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,659
so every but I want some of that come

690
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,640
home just to see the family hang out for

691
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,799
the weekend with my friends I came home

692
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,720
on a Saturday after I worked I worked

693
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,220
Friday night and I got back and I woke

694
00:26:42,830 --> 00:26:40,080
up Saturday afternoon early evening

695
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:42,840
really sick I knew I was sick enough it

696
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,580
was going to be more than a few hours it

697
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:46,380
was going to be a dare so so had to go

698
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,940
back the next day so I called the base

699
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,200
and said I'm not really not going to be

700
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:50,640
able to come back so we'll go to the

701
00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:51,720
emergency room so I went to the

702
00:26:56,450 --> 00:26:54,539
emergency room and when they verified I

703
00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:56,460
was sick the doctor started listening to

704
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,919
my heart and he says

705
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,299
what's the Air Force say about your

706
00:27:03,649 --> 00:27:02,279
heart murmur and I'm like

707
00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:03,659
what heart murmur I don't have a heart

708
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:05,460
murmur he goes oh yeah you do you got a

709
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,740
really distinguished distinct one you

710
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,779
can hear he brought the whole emergency

711
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,360
room nurses all that in to listen to it

712
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,919
so there's been people that have

713
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,600
speculated well they missed it when I

714
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,880
came in the Air Force well number one I

715
00:27:21,169 --> 00:27:19,200
couldn't have come in the Air Force if

716
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,179
they identified it number two they

717
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,400
wouldn't have missed it because this guy

718
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:25,200
picked it up within a matter of

719
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:27,779
listening just depending on my my chest

720
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:29,640
right and it was that loud and

721
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:34,020
distinctive and the fact is is that it

722
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,580
wasn't there when I came in and I've got

723
00:27:40,010 --> 00:27:37,620
an entry physical to prove that that was

724
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,020
part of my settlement so I wasn't sick

725
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:42,240
with it before then magically I had this

726
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,500
heart issue

727
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:46,559
you know afterwards so what I did know

728
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,360
at the time was I went back to the base

729
00:27:53,450 --> 00:27:51,000
and I came in

730
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:53,460
um I think it was Monday I went back and

731
00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,260
I checked in I took my records to the

732
00:27:59,330 --> 00:27:57,299
hospital they verified that the arm was

733
00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,340
involved Tuesday I had to go see a

734
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:01,799
doctor that came in from Ray Patterson

735
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,200
and he did an examination on me and he

736
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,240
immediately told me that he was issuing

737
00:28:10,490 --> 00:28:07,860
orders for me to go to Wright-Patterson

738
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,500
the next day to have a full Bank of

739
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,919
tests done and and he said pack to stay

740
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,659
for a while you may not be coming back

741
00:28:21,289 --> 00:28:18,000
for a while and he wouldn't elaborate

742
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,299
anymore so I went up there the next day

743
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,580
and they did Echoes and a bunch of other

744
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,679
test blood work and everything else

745
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:28,080
and that was in the morning and then I

746
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:29,460
went to lunch and I came back in the

747
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:31,080
afternoon and he came back in he says

748
00:28:34,909 --> 00:28:33,179
well the good news is I thought you had

749
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,919
the thickening the left heart wall we

750
00:28:40,010 --> 00:28:36,720
were gonna have to do surgery on you

751
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,020
because so you don't he says but you

752
00:28:45,289 --> 00:28:42,720
have a valve issue with your heart that

753
00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:45,299
we don't know what caused it and he said

754
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,179
we're going to have to monitor it you

755
00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:51,059
know and so that was that and I didn't

756
00:28:55,549 --> 00:28:53,700
know at the time Roy Patterson is where

757
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:55,559
they look at all this exotic technology

758
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,299
and everything that might have happened

759
00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:59,700
but you find that out years later went

760
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:02,279
back to my base everything was fine a

761
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,140
couple years later I started having eye

762
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,679
problems at Arizona so I went in to see

763
00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,080
the eye doctor sent me to Wilford Hall

764
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:12,299
to a specialist I can't remember what

765
00:29:18,289 --> 00:29:14,400
exactly was but it wasn't just a regular

766
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,299
eye doctor it was a colonel high up in

767
00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,399
that thing and the first thing he did

768
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:22,620
when he looked at my eyes was have you

769
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:24,779
been exposed to radiation before

770
00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:27,779
and at the time I didn't put bent Waters

771
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,899
as radiation based sure I just said not

772
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:32,580
that I'm aware of he says well you have

773
00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:34,980
what I found out later was I have a hole

774
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,260
in the back of my eye wall

775
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,840
something damaged my eye wall it's a

776
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:42,240
hole it's not a tear it's a hole so

777
00:29:47,330 --> 00:29:45,539
anyway they sent me to um him he

778
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,340
actually said with what I had I

779
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:49,200
shouldn't go to Korea I had orders but

780
00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,419
in the Korea and he tried to cancel them

781
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:53,100
and they wouldn't let him

782
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,140
he said they had to work he had to do

783
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,640
the best he could to figure out what it

784
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,860
was what the treatment would be and for

785
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:01,320
me to be deal with the flight surgeon on

786
00:30:06,169 --> 00:30:04,559
my issues with my heart and my eyes when

787
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,179
I got over there you should have seen

788
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:08,460
the flight surgeons looking at me I

789
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:09,779
walked in there with my records because

790
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,159
when you get to Korea you have to check

791
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:13,620
in right away because it's a war zone

792
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,480
it's still considered a combat zombie

793
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:17,279
it's just in it you know it's not a

794
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,080
peace treaty it was ever a signed it's a

795
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,120
truce so I had to go in there and I had

796
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:22,980
to go to the hospital and they said well

797
00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:25,080
let's have your records I go here's the

798
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:27,299
note I got to see the flight surgeon so

799
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,919
I went in and he looked at all my stuff

800
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:30,600
and he says

801
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:33,059
I can't treat you for this because what

802
00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:35,580
are you here for I said I don't really

803
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,620
know doc other than they said he

804
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:39,600
actually the colonel was told back at

805
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:42,059
Wilford Hall that I was going to Korea

806
00:30:46,190 --> 00:30:43,860
there was no

807
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:46,200
withdrawing the orders I was going to go

808
00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:48,840
to Korea so and I missed the other part

809
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,820
of the story was I'll do real quick

810
00:30:55,130 --> 00:30:53,279
when you see the world Brook story

811
00:30:56,570 --> 00:30:55,140
all these people started looking into it

812
00:30:58,010 --> 00:30:56,580
starting I got calls from everywhere

813
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:58,020
don't know how they found my phone

814
00:31:02,090 --> 00:31:00,120
number because I wasn't even in the

815
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:02,100
phone book by my name I was had a

816
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:03,600
roommate that was in his name but they

817
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,520
found me but the guy that found me was

818
00:31:10,909 --> 00:31:08,279
Chuck decaro CNN called me I had to tell

819
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,919
the base about it long story short I had

820
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:12,000
to

821
00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:15,960
thing I know the next day I'm in

822
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:17,820
um on the battles in the battle Sapphire

823
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,380
on the secure line talking to the

824
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,120
Pentagon about how I was supposed to

825
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,520
handle the interview with zacaro they

826
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:25,200
wanted me to do it because the cat was

827
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,179
out of the bag with the memo being out

828
00:31:29,930 --> 00:31:28,799
and something happened so they didn't

829
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,940
want to look like it was being totally

830
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:31,799
covered up but they didn't want me to go

831
00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:33,480
into any detail other than to stick to

832
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,140
the memo which was wrong anyway

833
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,880
so that was part of it so then going

834
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:41,279
forward with my orders when I got them I

835
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:43,020
had a friend in outbound that tried to

836
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:45,059
get me out of him he ended up in front

837
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,460
of his uh Commander being threatened

838
00:31:52,250 --> 00:31:49,320
with an Article 15 for interfering with

839
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,260
my orders and the thing was is that he

840
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:54,120
looked at the commander and he said why

841
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,740
am I in here we've done this before he

842
00:31:59,570 --> 00:31:57,779
doesn't want him doesn't want them and

843
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,580
he was just looking in inquiring into

844
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,740
how he could possibly get out of him and

845
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:04,140
he says this is so above he said he told

846
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,059
me this was so above above his prey

847
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,279
grade that he crossed the line with me

848
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,679
so not only that but the doctor could

849
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,179
keep me out of career which I found out

850
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:15,120
later why which I told you earlier

851
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:18,179
so you know so yeah there was all kinds

852
00:32:22,669 --> 00:32:20,340
of issues early on with my health which

853
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,679
later on led to my medical records being

854
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,659
classified which I can go into a little

855
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,000
bit if after down the road a little bit

856
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,640
as you go along with this yes I mean at

857
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:30,960
that point

858
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,299
I mean well so go forward a bit further

859
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:35,279
and this may fit in with what you just

860
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,080
said but am I right and saying kit green

861
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:38,880
got involved and maybe even call him

862
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,580
Kelleher and possibly Robert Bigelow so

863
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,919
you know they're wanting your DNA and

864
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:45,720
things well yeah if you want to be good

865
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:49,140
honest like okay all right so it started

866
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,559
with when I got sick in 10 early 11 it

867
00:32:57,470 --> 00:32:54,840
was actually early 11. my heart was

868
00:33:00,350 --> 00:32:57,480
acting up like it never had before and

869
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:00,360
the doctor when I went in they found it

870
00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:02,460
at the urgent care that I was in afib

871
00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:05,100
sent me to the hospital they eventually

872
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:07,860
uh shocked my heart back into Rhythm and

873
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:09,840
I had some congestive heart failure but

874
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:11,940
the doctor said how long have you had

875
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,860
this and I said well this is the first

876
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:16,559
time I've had an issue like this but

877
00:33:20,930 --> 00:33:18,840
I've had the heart murmur since 1980 he

878
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:20,940
goes where are your records with that I

879
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:23,220
said well I was injured

880
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:26,940
in in the Air Force he goes did they do

881
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:28,740
any tests and stuff I said well yeah in

882
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:31,440
81. he said I need you to request the

883
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,720
records and he wrote up a request

884
00:33:37,789 --> 00:33:36,179
through the military I need to look at

885
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,799
these to better understand what's going

886
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,480
on because he said what you're going

887
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,120
through doesn't fit the symptoms

888
00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,620
normally of what you would have the

889
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:45,779
damage just didn't have the symptoms

890
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,640
were worse than the damage appeared to

891
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:50,159
him so

892
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,500
I requested them and didn't get a

893
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,200
response what to my first Senator he

894
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:57,600
requested him God told my records were

895
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:59,580
where where they weren't where they

896
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,340
usually would be the aid and most people

897
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:04,500
the Senators don't do the work the age

898
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,779
do they just use the power of the office

899
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:09,300
so she figured out really fast that my

900
00:34:13,250 --> 00:34:10,859
records were classified

901
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:13,260
so she wrote me a letter saying they

902
00:34:15,950 --> 00:34:14,820
were and she said I had to go file for

903
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:15,960
disability

904
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,899
to force them to look at my records and

905
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:20,480
admit what's in my records what's wrong

906
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:23,280
so we went ahead and I went and filed a

907
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,320
disability and came back gave her all

908
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:27,359
the information he was getting ready to

909
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,820
retire his term was coming up and he was

910
00:34:34,250 --> 00:34:31,980
going to retire they got nowhere from

911
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:34,260
that point on all the way till the

912
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,060
elections were over and he retired so

913
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:38,220
what he did was she said you could give

914
00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:40,020
it to the it was a republican that got

915
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:42,119
elected I forget his name now and she

916
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:43,440
was going to work with him or I

917
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:45,060
recommend you give the senator Kane's

918
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:45,780
office

919
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,700
you know he's he's farther up the chain

920
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:50,639
especially with this new Senator and so

921
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,220
what the McCain he got me into at least

922
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:55,200
get a physical when I went in to be

923
00:35:00,050 --> 00:34:57,300
looked at to evaluate whether I was

924
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,060
disabled from in the line of duty the

925
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:02,220
doctor starts to ask me questions they

926
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:04,020
start identifying what happened and I

927
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:06,060
saw an eye doctor too I'll go into that

928
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,680
in a second but she said well

929
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,420
interesting everything you're applying

930
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,880
you weren't in the Air Force when you

931
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:13,380
when you said that's when you were

932
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,060
injured and that was the first time I

933
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,040
found out that they were actually trying

934
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,200
to cover up I was not in the Air Force

935
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,960
until 1982. so I looked at her and I

936
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:23,520
said well I've got I pulled out a pay

937
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,140
record I said you see I was being paid

938
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:27,780
in 79 and came in and she goes looked at

939
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,599
it looks at me and says I I can only go

940
00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:32,040
with what I've got here in front of me

941
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,859
I'll write it up as such and we'll take

942
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:36,480
it from there so

943
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,720
a Sinai doctor and now that's when I

944
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:41,820
first saw I think I saw my records again

945
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,859
because there was this envelope of

946
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:45,540
vanilla envelope with records that were

947
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:47,820
huge and I'm pretty sure he had those

948
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:50,040
but he was a specialist that came out of

949
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,380
um the dod he looked at my eyes and he

950
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:54,480
came back and he says nothing's changed

951
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,579
since 1980 he says we'll continue to

952
00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:58,980
monitor I go what do I go that's all you

953
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:02,099
need to know get out of here so then in

954
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:04,380
the summer I got denied which you know

955
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,640
I've got all the paperwork I've actually

956
00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:08,880
shot it in um presentations I got denied

957
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:11,940
my disability because I wasn't in the

958
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:14,460
Air Force in 1979.

959
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:18,359
so they did initially denied that so we

960
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:20,940
were able to finangle through and

961
00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:23,339
eventually prove what there's a lot of

962
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,780
stuff that went on behind the scenes to

963
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,940
get approved that was in 79 because even

964
00:36:31,849 --> 00:36:30,240
afrpc denied I was in even though they

965
00:36:33,950 --> 00:36:31,859
showed that I was in but I found out by

966
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,960
going through retirements because I

967
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,280
technically couldn't have been retired

968
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,920
if I hadn't had those for years so

969
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:40,740
anyway yeah so anyway we got that

970
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,820
changed and then they made an offer to

971
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:45,920
um

972
00:36:52,849 --> 00:36:49,380
to settle everything based on the new DD

973
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:52,859
Form 214 that somehow that got pulled

974
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:55,560
and and they said that because I had to

975
00:37:00,050 --> 00:36:58,020
drop the initial appeal which when I did

976
00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,060
that the there's an agency the state

977
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,859
looks at it and he could see they'd

978
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,839
denied our foyers hadn't given the

979
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:05,400
proper documentation they were covered

980
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:10,200
all that up so then we put the denial in

981
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:12,420
the or the withdrawal and just on new

982
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:14,520
information I got a letter after that

983
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:16,560
saying thank you for quote thank you for

984
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:17,280
the

985
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:19,079
um canceling your appeal your case is

986
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:22,740
now closed so that's when it got really

987
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:24,359
ugly because McKay personally got

988
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:25,980
involved he actually threatened to hold

989
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,980
hearings and the doj got involved in a

990
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:30,480
bunch of stuff put on I eventually got

991
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,240
my settlement now during all this time

992
00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:36,240
frame we testified in front of the

993
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:37,980
citizens hearing the lawyer Pat

994
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,920
presconia that was working with me and

995
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:42,839
at the time at that very moment peniston

996
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,440
was involved and so was I and um we went

997
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:48,720
up there and testified you know in front

998
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,300
of a mock hearing and about I don't know

999
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,700
several days later Kent Green calls him

1000
00:37:57,770 --> 00:37:55,440
and wants to meet with him

1001
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:57,780
so he comes in meets with Pat in Jackson

1002
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,980
Mississippi

1003
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,900
talk to him about a bunch of stuff and

1004
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:02,880
wants to evaluate me

1005
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:04,859
personally do an evaluation and talking

1006
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,560
to you about some stuff So eventually he

1007
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,359
flew out I was in Sedona at the time

1008
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:11,160
flew out to Sedona brought Pat and his

1009
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:13,140
wife who's also an attorney and a nurse

1010
00:38:19,010 --> 00:38:15,240
brought us bought us all together in

1011
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,020
Sedona and um did an examination

1012
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,839
and came back and said well

1013
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:24,000
you definitely have problems that don't

1014
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:25,680
look very good you didn't explain it to

1015
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:27,240
me like you did Pat behind the scenes he

1016
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:28,740
said I didn't have any much longer to

1017
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:31,619
live is what he told path so he said

1018
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:33,900
what I would like to do is I would like

1019
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,780
to get a sample of your DNA we're doing

1020
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:39,359
a study of a hundred people that I have

1021
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,300
known to be exposed to uaps and I said

1022
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,880
100 people he says he said to me he says

1023
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:46,440
well you're one of the few cases that

1024
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,780
ever got leaked out so there's a lot of

1025
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:50,520
other stuff that's gone on where we've

1026
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:52,680
got confirmed military activity with

1027
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,599
uaps and we're studying their DNA on the

1028
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,660
effects so whenever I said I I said and

1029
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,579
he says then we want to do an MRI of

1030
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:03,599
your brain

1031
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,060
he says we want to look at the brain and

1032
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,820
see what's going on with it and it was

1033
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,859
just a loose imply that they wanted to

1034
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,599
see if the brain of mine was a lot like

1035
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,820
some of the other guys which meant that

1036
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:16,859
we were getting having this contact more

1037
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:19,380
because of that over or wasn't we

1038
00:39:24,890 --> 00:39:21,960
damaged later well couldn't do the MRI

1039
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,900
because I have a pacemaker because some

1040
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,880
of the stuff they did before they

1041
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,260
finally figured out which I'll tell you

1042
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:29,520
in a minute they figured out what was

1043
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:31,980
going on and why was they didn't need to

1044
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:33,420
do that so they really couldn't do the

1045
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,940
MRI it was an MRI that they could but

1046
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:37,680
they just couldn't justify it medically

1047
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,680
to go in on a on a theory it hadn't been

1048
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:42,960
a serious medical issue

1049
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:46,140
um the DNA I told them no but he didn't

1050
00:39:51,230 --> 00:39:48,780
listen and when he left Sedona he

1051
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,240
actually they flew Gary Nolan in from

1052
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,520
San Francisco that next morning into

1053
00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:55,680
Vegas and him and Colin kalahar drove

1054
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:58,619
down and met with us and Flagstaff that

1055
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,540
afternoon and they tried to get my DNA

1056
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:02,700
and I told him no I said I'm not playing

1057
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,220
I said I'm sick I can't get anywhere at

1058
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:07,140
the VA I can't get any kind of treatment

1059
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,260
this is a work this is off limits until

1060
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:12,960
something gets done they were mad kit

1061
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:15,660
green was mad but Pat toolkit we told

1062
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:18,900
you no yesterday he goes but you try but

1063
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:21,060
you know so then you turned back around

1064
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:23,880
and he wrote a letter that ended up

1065
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:26,820
being classified after the fact that he

1066
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:29,339
gave to Pat for me to give to the to the

1067
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:31,800
VA and the department which I ended up

1068
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:34,380
with the Department of Defense also and

1069
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:38,099
as soon as that came in to play because

1070
00:40:43,010 --> 00:40:40,260
McCain now I was at least being seen by

1071
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:43,020
the VA all of a sudden the dod showed up

1072
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:46,020
VA doctors and they immediately within

1073
00:40:49,790 --> 00:40:47,940
about three months I got the surgery I

1074
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:49,800
needed because they figured out what was

1075
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,200
damaged in my valve that wasn't normal

1076
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,599
for what is explained to me was you have

1077
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,180
two leaflets in your valve the inside

1078
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,000
leaflets never damaged the outside one

1079
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,400
showed some damage but not enough damage

1080
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,099
to create the issues I was having but

1081
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,440
the inside one was shredded now what

1082
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:09,119
they told me and I had the records

1083
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:10,920
approve it is I actually had two

1084
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,800
leaflets on the inside part and when I

1085
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:16,079
was injured I would have probably died

1086
00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:17,880
if I hadn't had that medical condition

1087
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:20,520
which is rare so the two of them were

1088
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:22,200
both damaged but they were damaged

1089
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:26,040
enough together to kill me on the spot

1090
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,380
so that all got done that was handled by

1091
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:30,900
a doctor the whole time they took my

1092
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,300
blood they took all my tissue which I

1093
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:35,160
found out later was studied

1094
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:38,400
okay for all of this stuff and it was

1095
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,320
done in the study that they wanted but

1096
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:43,260
the dod was running this one not well

1097
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:44,760
they were actually their contract was

1098
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,099
through the dod anyway but I found out

1099
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:49,440
that they got all that stuff anyway so

1100
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,480
they got it through the surgery so

1101
00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:53,940
that's how Kent Green showed up in

1102
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:56,040
Keller her and Nolan

1103
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,599
that's fast and then we dealt with him

1104
00:42:02,450 --> 00:41:59,520
all the way through because at one point

1105
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,460
we were actually getting ready to file a

1106
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,260
lawsuit during all this stuff going on

1107
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,720
to force the government to admit why my

1108
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,180
number one we couldn't even get a flying

1109
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,800
answer because we identified the classic

1110
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,260
the classified record section which they

1111
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,599
have but we couldn't even get to admit

1112
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,220
my records were there

1113
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,800
and why they refused to answer that for

1114
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,119
you they brought the law on that they

1115
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:23,040
refused to deal with the Senator's

1116
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:25,740
office on any of that also and stuff and

1117
00:42:30,109 --> 00:42:28,260
then so after I got my surgery I just

1118
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,119
got a a letter

1119
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:32,820
um my surgery wasn't 13 I got the

1120
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,800
settlement in 15 when we got all this

1121
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,140
taken care of and they got a letter from

1122
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,940
him saying we're taking responsibility

1123
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,040
for your injuries because my settlement

1124
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,839
which people want to argue about which I

1125
00:42:47,329 --> 00:42:44,820
have a lot of documentation which I gave

1126
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,339
to Billy Cox as a journalist who wrote

1127
00:42:52,250 --> 00:42:50,280
an article on it he verified that my

1128
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,260
setup was based off of being injured in

1129
00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:58,910
now what what they and part of the part

1130
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,839
of the documents presented were conduct

1131
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,700
documents the classified documents some

1132
00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:05,040
other stuff but what they didn't say was

1133
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:07,380
what it what it was and I got told that

1134
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,500
by different I got told by Kyle staffer

1135
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:11,940
you were injured but you're never going

1136
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,400
to know uh McCain's people said the same

1137
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,319
thing no doubt you were injured but

1138
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:17,760
you're never going to get an answer why

1139
00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:19,740
and when they finally settled with me

1140
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:22,440
we're taking responsibility for you but

1141
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:23,880
we're not going to tell you why or

1142
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:27,000
what's going on and uh that but my

1143
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:29,220
medical records are still classified so

1144
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,140
my Personnel files having to do with

1145
00:43:35,450 --> 00:43:33,839
Reynolds them and

1146
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,460
um I have to see certain doctors inside

1147
00:43:41,329 --> 00:43:39,060
the dod for my heart my eyes because I

1148
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:41,339
can't even like the VA allows you to do

1149
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,900
community and care and where I live

1150
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,579
there's not a lot that you have to drive

1151
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,440
to Indianapolis

1152
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,420
um right I can't be treated by a

1153
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:50,460
civilian doctor they tried once but they

1154
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:52,140
wouldn't give them any information so

1155
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,359
they had to kick me back for the VA in

1156
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,680
fact now I I have to go to Indianapolis

1157
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,560
and deal with the chief of Cardiology on

1158
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,599
my heart so

1159
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,400
I mean I

1160
00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:04,140
I can see that it's great that you

1161
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,819
finally got there even though it took

1162
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,040
way too long to get you know the VA and

1163
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,560
all that sorted out but well actually it

1164
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:13,440
didn't really because from the time I I

1165
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:17,880
never correlated all this totally yeah I

1166
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:21,720
I knew that I got sick but I never

1167
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,420
really did all the the correlation with

1168
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:26,940
the weapon systems the the radiation all

1169
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,400
that until I started getting sick and I

1170
00:44:32,750 --> 00:44:31,020
started researching some of this stuff

1171
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:32,760
and working with other people then

1172
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,619
Greece showed up because what he said

1173
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,359
and he did this on the buff top secret

1174
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,400
because that's when I knew I was in

1175
00:44:42,170 --> 00:44:39,960
trouble that it was going to be payback

1176
00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:42,180
time I was told that they were never

1177
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:43,700
going to talk about their involvement

1178
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:46,260
know this was going to come out the DNA

1179
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,020
stuff none of it and it ends up he goes

1180
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:50,880
on a dub top secret when I just told

1181
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:53,880
everybody Hey listen I got a settlement

1182
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:55,859
um the lawyer loaded up as uh you know

1183
00:45:00,290 --> 00:44:58,140
de facto that they admitted that uaps

1184
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:00,300
are real because the event was labeled a

1185
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:03,720
UAP event by the by the old memo and

1186
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:05,700
then that they gave me conversation for

1187
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:07,619
it well green goes on to buff top secret

1188
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:09,540
rights two paragraphs on what it was

1189
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:11,940
terahertz radiation all these different

1190
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,579
things that went on so and then I knew

1191
00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:16,140
that there was more to this coming down

1192
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,060
the road then they work with Annie

1193
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:21,000
Jacobson who they she's a correspondent

1194
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:22,740
or correspondent or writer or whatever

1195
00:45:27,770 --> 00:45:25,079
and they talk about the DNA the DNA

1196
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,780
study how this all plays together so

1197
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,520
that's been down a whole different Road

1198
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,800
having to deal with them to the Stars

1199
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:34,560
Lou Elizondo I got taken down to how

1200
00:45:38,750 --> 00:45:36,180
put-offs

1201
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,760
um facility got briefed on uh Stargate

1202
00:45:43,730 --> 00:45:41,160
and a bunch of other stuff so this has

1203
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:43,740
been ongoing even on the side and

1204
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,240
there's definitely interest by the

1205
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,520
government in people that have been in

1206
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:49,980
had some kind of encounter with whatever

1207
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,960
a UAP is

1208
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:53,819
so do you think this this anomalous

1209
00:45:57,770 --> 00:45:56,280
phenomena whatever it may be do you

1210
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:57,780
think that is what we people are seeing

1211
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,540
and have been seeing for you know as

1212
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:01,920
long as they've been reported or do you

1213
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,180
think there may be multiple phenomena

1214
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,800
out there

1215
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,960
wow that one's a tough one to answer

1216
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:08,160
okay

1217
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,240
um

1218
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:12,119
there is a phenomenon condone says there

1219
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:13,560
is

1220
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,619
so that's been identified United the

1221
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:19,319
British changed it to UAP the Americans

1222
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,440
Now call it a UAP so that's clearly

1223
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,420
something going on that they're working

1224
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:27,480
with involves plasmas intelligence and

1225
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:29,819
all that so that's there

1226
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:31,380
um then you have to look at Roswell

1227
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:33,180
which I don't know much about other than

1228
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:36,900
they supposed to uncover the craft so if

1229
00:46:40,730 --> 00:46:38,339
that's the case

1230
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,740
then there's something else possibly

1231
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,319
going on too but what I can tell you is

1232
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,839
there definitely is some kind of a

1233
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:48,420
phenomenon that they're aware of they've

1234
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:51,480
been studying it for probably decades it

1235
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,380
involves radiation frequencies you know

1236
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:58,140
intelligence and they definitely have

1237
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,079
figured out how to start modulating you

1238
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,420
have to use it in weapon systems which

1239
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,700
are currently active and they're

1240
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:07,920
expanding on it you know going forward

1241
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,200
so is there more than one thing going on

1242
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:12,480
there's a good chance but I don't know

1243
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:14,460
enough about the crafts and all that

1244
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,000
other stuff and if you go into the

1245
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,160
phenomena itself it can throw it can

1246
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,599
make you think you're seeing something

1247
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,420
you're not it can it can it can mess

1248
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:27,119
with your memory and and it can modulate

1249
00:47:32,089 --> 00:47:30,300
Radars it can it can you know do all

1250
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:32,099
kinds of things which we've explained in

1251
00:47:36,109 --> 00:47:34,380
our book that maybe a lot of what people

1252
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:36,119
seen they thought were craft weren't

1253
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:38,280
necessarily craft to include what they

1254
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:40,740
talked about the indentations in the

1255
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,079
ground at rendelson the phenomenon

1256
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,940
plasma can actually create those

1257
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:47,220
indentations in the ground

1258
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:50,220
and the thing is is that lights that

1259
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,920
they talk about halt probably and I'm

1260
00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:54,660
just going to barely just throw this out

1261
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,520
because we're going to expand on it down

1262
00:48:01,609 --> 00:47:59,760
the road with all the facts was there's

1263
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:01,619
a report of satellite being brought down

1264
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,920
during our event that was going on and

1265
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,420
that probably had something to do with

1266
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,119
some lasers and tracking plasmas that

1267
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:12,000
were either created from the phenomenon

1268
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:14,579
or we were able to do it and it's I've

1269
00:48:19,550 --> 00:48:17,099
got a Declassified top secret document

1270
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,560
that I've uncovered from the British

1271
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:21,900
themselves the mod that myths they've

1272
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:24,180
been working on this back in the 50s or

1273
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:27,060
even 40s but they they'd expand on this

1274
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:28,980
with the Americans where that may have

1275
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:30,599
been involved with possibly bringing

1276
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:33,240
down that satellite that came down in

1277
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:35,160
the forest during our event on top of

1278
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,800
everything else that was going on hmm

1279
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,660
that's interesting as well I mean one

1280
00:48:42,770 --> 00:48:41,280
thing that just came to mind then was

1281
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:42,780
there was a obviously an incident at

1282
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:45,780
lakenheath bent Waters in 56 and I just

1283
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:48,300
wonder if that somehow has a similar I'm

1284
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,500
glad you brought that up I'm glad you

1285
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,140
brought that up okay the first time the

1286
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,480
incident 56 happened at belt Waters

1287
00:48:59,390 --> 00:48:56,760
shortly after that they had an incident

1288
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:59,400
Kirkland Air Force Base it was a few

1289
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:01,079
months later where they had some stuff

1290
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:04,680
that went on down there fast forward to

1291
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:07,440
our event prior to our event in the

1292
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:10,859
spring of 80 they had a major event at

1293
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,220
um Coyote Canyon at Kirkland and then we

1294
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,599
had our event

1295
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:18,660
in December so both times there was

1296
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,000
major events that Ben bent Waters there

1297
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:23,819
was major events down at uh Kirkland Air

1298
00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:25,740
Force Base where does that department of

1299
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:26,700
energy

1300
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:28,260
hmm

1301
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:31,140
how convenient and coincidental

1302
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:32,760
and that you could just look that up

1303
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:34,440
people will try to say that's not true

1304
00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:36,300
just look up the bentwater's incident

1305
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,870
the time frame and then look up the fact

1306
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:43,920
that Coyote Canyon took place and it was

1307
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,720
around a nuclear storage area

1308
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:47,760
it's got a bunch of stuff went on and

1309
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:49,500
then down there where DOD works and all

1310
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,380
that stuff goes on and then boom in

1311
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,839
December we had our events so both times

1312
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,420
they were there and I think and this is

1313
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:59,579
just speculation on mine because I can't

1314
00:50:05,089 --> 00:50:01,380
get a full

1315
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,099
um induction on the the engineer that

1316
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,640
wrote the paper condying but I bet if

1317
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:10,560
you push the foyer hard enough because I

1318
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,880
can't do foyers with the British

1319
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,980
government anymore they won't let me

1320
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,260
because when I got too close to some of

1321
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:18,300
the stuff they sanctioned me it's what

1322
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:19,560
they called and they're not going to

1323
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,200
answer my questions anymore but I think

1324
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:24,240
the guy that wrote the paper could have

1325
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,040
been one of the pilots was involved in

1326
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:29,040
the 1956 incident because he was a pilot

1327
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,260
in the RAF during that time he was a

1328
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:33,119
Navy pilot it was Dr Ron Hadley that

1329
00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:35,160
wrote condyn right but he may have been

1330
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,900
one of the pilots that was involved in

1331
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,180
the 56 incident I'm just trying to think

1332
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,800
because I spoke to Dr Clark who

1333
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,240
interviewed some of the pilots from the

1334
00:50:46,609 --> 00:50:44,700
56 incident and the names never came

1335
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,619
never came together they never there was

1336
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,680
no correlation there but I think Hado

1337
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:51,119
was in the Navy and that was the air

1338
00:50:55,210 --> 00:50:52,800
force that was based that was involved

1339
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:55,220
with the 56 case

1340
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,200
well I just wondered because of some of

1341
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:00,960
the comments in the condom report and

1342
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,520
stuff different things I just wondered

1343
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:05,160
if he may have not or at the least he

1344
00:51:08,809 --> 00:51:06,720
interviewed and talked to those Pilots

1345
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,819
sure yeah you know because he was a

1346
00:51:12,890 --> 00:51:10,680
pilot before he was in or maybe he was

1347
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:12,900
an engineer at the same time but he was

1348
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:15,900
definitely a pilot in the RAF so

1349
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,940
absolutely now listen John I want to get

1350
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,500
on to some viewer questions and that

1351
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:21,780
before but just before that is there

1352
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,099
anything that you feel like I may have

1353
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:25,440
missed on that's important well have you

1354
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:27,000
covered your list have you covered

1355
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:29,099
yourself yeah but I jumped around so I

1356
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,880
could could have missed something

1357
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,319
because I mean there's like something

1358
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,359
I'll think of later but let's take some

1359
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,940
questions Maybe yeah yeah I mean one

1360
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,319
thing that a lot of people have been

1361
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:38,880
asking me about is your views on Jim

1362
00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,980
peniston's binary codes part of the

1363
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,480
story and

1364
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,920
you know if you're happy to talk about

1365
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,900
that I'd love to hear about what I'll

1366
00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:48,960
keep I'll keep it brief okay okay um

1367
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:52,859
I work with peniston um I I met him back

1368
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:56,220
in the early 90s we did a a documentary

1369
00:52:00,770 --> 00:51:58,020
from England called strange but true

1370
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,780
okay when we did that there was no

1371
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,119
notebook at all no mention of a notebook

1372
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:05,280
no nothing now he tried to come back

1373
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,319
when they brought that up and say well I

1374
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:08,880
had it but they didn't want to look at

1375
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:11,099
it back then I said wait a minute I was

1376
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,359
there for all the production meetings

1377
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,040
you never brought up the notebook you

1378
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,599
never brought it up to them nor did you

1379
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:17,099
bring it up to halter eye because we all

1380
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,140
had breakfast together lunch everything

1381
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,880
all the time because we were filming the

1382
00:52:24,770 --> 00:52:23,040
whole time we were over there so no

1383
00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:24,780
mention at all and I was already out of

1384
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,800
the military

1385
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:28,200
so is excuse me forwards you didn't talk

1386
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:29,280
about it because he was in the military

1387
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:32,339
it was he was he was retired he talked

1388
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,900
about the incident never brought the

1389
00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:36,000
notebook up first time I found out about

1390
00:52:40,670 --> 00:52:38,220
the notebook was the 20-year anniversary

1391
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,680
when he did that documentary with Brian

1392
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,260
Gumbel I forget what it was called but

1393
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,300
they did it him and Hall did a document

1394
00:52:49,069 --> 00:52:47,040
it was a 20-year anniversary document

1395
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:49,079
that him and holler involved

1396
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:50,940
he introduced The Notebook but the

1397
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,400
notebook had the wrong date in it so in

1398
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,200
other words the 90s said it happened it

1399
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,119
said the 26th

1400
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:59,579
you know I wrote 27th I think was the

1401
00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:00,900
eighth I'd have to go back and look at

1402
00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:03,359
the pages now it wasn't the 26th it was

1403
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,880
the 27 28 which was highlighted by some

1404
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,920
Skeptics so well why would you have the

1405
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:09,540
wrong date in when statements and

1406
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,660
British logs was the 26. well one of the

1407
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:14,460
speculations was he just wrote The

1408
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:16,380
Notebook later because he took it off

1409
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:19,559
the whole Hall the hall memo which had I

1410
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:22,079
believe the 27th in it so that was the

1411
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,079
first time I saw the the notebook and

1412
00:53:30,049 --> 00:53:27,119
nor did I ever see him walk around it or

1413
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,059
anything else he tried to take cabinsek

1414
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:32,640
out of the story but later like a year

1415
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:35,099
ago maybe less he didn't do Jimmy church

1416
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,660
and church kind of caught him off guard

1417
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,640
he said so when you got to the berm and

1418
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,040
you came over what did you guys do and

1419
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,480
he identified both Ed and I being

1420
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,880
together with him when we came up on it

1421
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:46,559
before he'd always said Ed wasn't even

1422
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,140
there so he slipped up with a question

1423
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,720
so the three of us were together The

1424
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:53,400
Notebook shows up at 20-year Mark with

1425
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,619
the glyphs who later some people did

1426
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,540
some research and found a glisson some

1427
00:54:01,309 --> 00:53:59,640
equipment that the German company sells

1428
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:01,319
that does underground detection work

1429
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:04,800
okay now nothing about the binary or

1430
00:54:10,670 --> 00:54:08,220
anything else until the was it the 30th

1431
00:54:12,290 --> 00:54:10,680
Anniversary or the 2010 so that would

1432
00:54:15,170 --> 00:54:12,300
have been what a

1433
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:15,180
30th Anniversary yeah that all Pops in

1434
00:54:19,609 --> 00:54:17,400
when we're in Phoenix filming for

1435
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:19,619
Ancient Aliens which by the way was

1436
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,680
penithius which fit perfectly in it he

1437
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:24,480
claims that he didn't really want it out

1438
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:26,220
but why did he because everybody had

1439
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:27,900
handled the notebook prior to this which

1440
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,940
I never had said they've looked at a

1441
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,040
notebook and never saw binary in it was

1442
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:33,960
excuses well I'd always kept it out

1443
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:36,960
right well okay so fair enough but why

1444
00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:39,960
did he put it in for Ancient Aliens okay

1445
00:54:43,549 --> 00:54:42,059
why did he put it in there knowing we

1446
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:43,559
were going to handle the notebook and

1447
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:45,540
look at it when every other time he

1448
00:54:49,069 --> 00:54:46,980
didn't want people to see it including

1449
00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:49,079
James Fox who he did a bunch of work

1450
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:50,760
with and they actually studied the

1451
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,079
glyphs right

1452
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:54,839
so then bam all of a sudden they see the

1453
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:56,940
binary and then they want to talk about

1454
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:58,859
it well he claims that he didn't want to

1455
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,319
and that he didn't right away well no if

1456
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:03,660
you look at the hour piece they did he

1457
00:55:07,069 --> 00:55:05,099
immediately went back in and talked

1458
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:07,079
about it openly on his own record no one

1459
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:09,059
forced him so he talked about all this

1460
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:12,180
he gave them some of the pages but he

1461
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,220
never could get the pages straight at

1462
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,500
first whether it was 12 15 16 or

1463
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:18,720
whatever so they looked at some of the

1464
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:21,780
pages they identified an area off of the

1465
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:24,300
coast of Ireland and but that was only

1466
00:55:29,329 --> 00:55:26,220
because they put the decimal point in a

1467
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,339
certain place oh that's like starts to

1468
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:32,400
get strange then he turns around and

1469
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:34,140
they did some more research on it so

1470
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:35,819
people did and they found out these all

1471
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,460
these codes were all on an ancient site

1472
00:55:43,809 --> 00:55:41,040
that was available three years before he

1473
00:55:47,049 --> 00:55:43,819
introduced the codes in the first place

1474
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:47,059
so there is a quite a bit of controversy

1475
00:55:52,790 --> 00:55:50,700
behind the codes this is all factual I'm

1476
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,800
not making it up their excuse was the

1477
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,260
site had been hacked

1478
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:57,599
um to modify it to make him look bad

1479
00:56:01,490 --> 00:56:00,359
will produce the evidence then do you

1480
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,500
know what I mean it's just like he's

1481
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,020
gone on now and says you can't draw a

1482
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,660
pension Air Force pension and VA

1483
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:08,400
disability it's double dipping you can't

1484
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:11,579
you can't draw both I'm doing both he's

1485
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:13,619
doing both because he openly said in the

1486
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,680
hearing that he did with when we did

1487
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:18,720
with Bassett he said he was drawing VA

1488
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:21,660
disability so you can but then he wants

1489
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,579
to apply to people like Adrian Stenson

1490
00:56:27,410 --> 00:56:25,200
which oh that was the one thing I didn't

1491
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,420
talk to you about Adrian's getting 100

1492
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,480
or 95 or whatever compensation for

1493
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:32,760
injuries at Randall's from also I was

1494
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:34,619
able to help him with documentation get

1495
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,599
the conversation he was the one who had

1496
00:56:41,390 --> 00:56:38,579
a close interaction which people say

1497
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:41,400
well wait a minute why did penicillin

1498
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:43,559
not get injured like YouTube well in the

1499
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:45,660
hearings he said he had art issues

1500
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,140
okay but Adrian and I were clearly had

1501
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:51,540
issues from this when we got close to

1502
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:54,359
whatever it was and if he wants to now

1503
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,339
say he didn't have any injuries from it

1504
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:59,280
why did he get it if we did in the VA

1505
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:00,839
recognized it and so does the government

1506
00:57:05,690 --> 00:57:02,940
and yet he claims he touched it and

1507
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,700
walked around it so leave it for

1508
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:07,200
yourself folks whatever you want to

1509
00:57:11,630 --> 00:57:09,300
believe but if you really want to do

1510
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:11,640
some digging there's a lot all that I

1511
00:57:15,530 --> 00:57:13,140
just talked about is out there for

1512
00:57:17,450 --> 00:57:15,540
public consumption yeah now I appreciate

1513
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:17,460
you talking about that because yeah I

1514
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:18,660
probably would have got crucified for

1515
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:21,720
not to be honest with you I don't

1516
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,420
believe here's how I feel about it

1517
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:26,880
because he did do a hypnosis at one

1518
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,380
point and he did kind of come under

1519
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:30,180
hypnosis talk a little bit about some of

1520
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,520
that so I'm not saying something didn't

1521
00:57:37,790 --> 00:57:34,800
happen to him and some people speculated

1522
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,800
the government planted it in them or or

1523
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,780
maybe he had felt something and then he

1524
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,240
just tried to take advantage of it by

1525
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,640
the making the notebook because he did

1526
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:46,920
get compensated each time they used the

1527
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:48,900
notebook in these documentaries but all

1528
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:51,000
I'm getting at is it's not cut and dry

1529
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,500
how's that I don't want to leave it at

1530
00:57:57,290 --> 00:57:54,960
that do some research before you accept

1531
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,300
everything that you've been told yeah

1532
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,119
that's always a good rule absolutely

1533
00:58:04,250 --> 00:58:01,680
um I got a question here from Richard he

1534
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,260
says Sedona has apparently been a UFO

1535
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:07,200
hotspot for decades and Jim peniston's

1536
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:09,059
alleged binary code message contains

1537
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:11,880
location coordinates for Sedona plus

1538
00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:14,280
you've even lived there yourself John do

1539
00:58:18,170 --> 00:58:15,660
you think or know if there is something

1540
00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:18,180
special about Sedona Linda Martin Howe

1541
00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:20,099
Linda Martin said that she was contacted

1542
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,500
in the early 80s by an engineer from

1543
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:24,720
Martin Marietta who claims that he was

1544
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:26,520
involved in constructing a windowless

1545
00:58:31,790 --> 00:58:29,880
building around a device in Sedona that

1546
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:31,800
was there to prevent magnetic fields

1547
00:58:36,049 --> 00:58:33,300
from collapsing

1548
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,059
okay well let's let's leave the Linda

1549
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,980
part out and when I'm saying that I

1550
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,420
that's the first I've heard of that but

1551
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:41,940
whatever okay well about that part I've

1552
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:44,220
never heard about that there is there is

1553
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:47,160
or was a facility up in Sedona and I'll

1554
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:49,859
tell you why there was a facility out in

1555
00:58:55,730 --> 00:58:52,440
the desert right outside of town called

1556
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:55,740
Maricopa and they identified it as a

1557
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,760
NORAD site okay but it was there and the

1558
00:59:05,329 --> 00:59:01,619
cover story for was it involved the

1559
00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:05,339
shuttle but it stayed active many years

1560
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:07,319
afterwards when the shuttle program sat

1561
00:59:11,569 --> 00:59:09,900
down okay I know about this because I

1562
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:11,579
lived in Maricopa and I drove by it all

1563
00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:13,500
the time it had microwave antennas

1564
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:15,240
behind it you could see it on the

1565
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:16,980
satellite if you look at the satellite

1566
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:20,339
of it but when I was at Williams they

1567
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:22,799
had the site security manager was

1568
00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:24,900
responsible for that facility so it was

1569
00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:27,240
under the Air Force when I was at Luke

1570
00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:32,460
the Sedona facility was under Luke's

1571
00:59:36,770 --> 00:59:33,079
um

1572
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,780
her view for security up there so there

1573
00:59:40,730 --> 00:59:38,400
was a facility somewhere up in the

1574
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:40,740
Sedona out in the forest area and when

1575
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,599
Williams closed Luke took over the

1576
00:59:47,390 --> 00:59:45,119
Maricopa site exactly what they were

1577
00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,400
doing I don't know other than I did find

1578
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,859
a link one time that said both the mer

1579
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,020
the Maricopa site and the Sedona site

1580
00:59:57,530 --> 00:59:55,440
were tied into microwave that monitored

1581
01:00:00,289 --> 00:59:57,540
the low frequencies of the Earth

1582
01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:00,299
right that was they identified those two

1583
01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:02,040
sites plus a bunch of other sites around

1584
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:03,960
the world does that have anything to do

1585
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,540
with UFOs and stuff I don't know but

1586
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,880
they were real and they were being

1587
01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,740
utilized and the Air Force was involved

1588
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:13,079
in the security Outlet okay now I lived

1589
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:15,540
there for two years Bradshaw Ranch I

1590
01:00:18,109 --> 01:00:16,680
don't know if you've heard of that but

1591
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:18,119
it's like still Walker the government

1592
01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:20,099
took it over the whole thing

1593
01:00:25,069 --> 01:00:22,740
I had a weird strange encounter on more

1594
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:25,079
than one occasion when I went out there

1595
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,760
two or three different times I think it

1596
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:28,799
was three where I went out there with

1597
01:00:36,170 --> 01:00:31,500
some people where we actually one night

1598
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:36,180
we had the EMA meter Peg we had uh the

1599
01:00:40,430 --> 01:00:38,579
again like 10 degrees colder and we had

1600
01:00:41,450 --> 01:00:40,440
weird lights in the sky all over the

1601
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,460
place

1602
01:00:46,190 --> 01:00:44,160
and then a couple other times we had

1603
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,200
some stuff I can't think of the name of

1604
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:48,000
the town it's above Cottonwood you cut

1605
01:00:51,289 --> 01:00:50,040
between Cottonwood and Prescott there's

1606
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:51,299
a mountain up there I can't remember

1607
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,460
what it's called and from that side of

1608
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,920
Bradshaw we could see stuff flying

1609
01:00:59,450 --> 01:00:57,839
around in the sky up there where people

1610
01:01:02,750 --> 01:00:59,460
had seen stuff before

1611
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,760
so personally I could tell you there's

1612
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:04,440
all kinds of forklow there there's a

1613
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:08,040
there's a parcel portal you there's also

1614
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:09,540
something else that's interesting which

1615
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,599
most people aren't aware of Buddha put a

1616
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,599
Time trap they're only they have a site

1617
01:01:20,089 --> 01:01:18,240
there that's dedicated to time travel

1618
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,099
and it's right there in Sedona on the

1619
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:22,619
west side of town and they have these

1620
01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,260
different I can't remember it's a stupa

1621
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:27,780
they have a stupa that's dedicated to

1622
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,760
time travel right out there by bratzal

1623
01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:30,900
Rams

1624
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:33,540
hmm that's active and they actually have

1625
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,980
a medicine wheel they built out there

1626
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,000
too

1627
01:01:41,450 --> 01:01:39,599
so is Sedona weird yes is this nice

1628
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,460
things that I've seen there yes have

1629
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,740
other people said seen things there yes

1630
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:46,079
what exactly is it I don't know are

1631
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:48,119
there were there at least there was at

1632
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:50,760
one point facility out there yes was it

1633
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,920
what Linda Moulton Howe that Guy brought

1634
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:55,079
up I don't know that part I really don't

1635
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:56,640
know I've never heard that before that

1636
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,079
was one that kind of caught me off guard

1637
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,480
so no no I appreciate your answer that

1638
01:02:04,970 --> 01:02:02,640
was the first time I'd heard that as

1639
01:02:07,549 --> 01:02:04,980
well if you want to get a weird

1640
01:02:09,049 --> 01:02:07,559
experience go to Sedona yeah you're

1641
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:09,059
probably going to see something strange

1642
01:02:13,010 --> 01:02:11,160
you know if you if you go out there by

1643
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,020
the Bradshaw Ranch area there's an area

1644
01:02:17,150 --> 01:02:15,480
out there that's very bizarre I can't

1645
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,160
deny that so

1646
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,200
excellent I'll keep that in mind if I'm

1647
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,599
ever out that way but listen John we've

1648
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:23,160
just hit over the hour mark before I go

1649
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:24,359
I just want to give a couple of thank

1650
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:26,760
yous uh this one here actually John if

1651
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:28,859
you wouldn't mind Davey says can you

1652
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,079
give my daughter Rudy a shout out she is

1653
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:33,780
reading everything she can on rendersham

1654
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,960
so I have to say hey Rudy thanks make

1655
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,520
sure you read the weaponization book

1656
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:40,799
there's a lot of stuff in there that'll

1657
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:42,599
open your eyes to what we were dealing

1658
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:43,980
with

1659
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:46,440
there you go shout out Davey good friend

1660
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,079
of mine and uh yeah you got a good

1661
01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:52,200
daughter there and finally Jimmy says

1662
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,819
thanks Vinnie one day I'll have a

1663
01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:55,920
question well Jimmy that's okay I'll

1664
01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:57,660
always be here when you're ready thank

1665
01:03:03,289 --> 01:03:00,540
you for the five dollar donation

1666
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:03,299
all right then there we go guys thank

1667
01:03:08,270 --> 01:03:05,700
you so much John that was a a brilliant

1668
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:08,280
interview and uh yeah I can't thank you

1669
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,440
enough so yeah oh and one last thing is

1670
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,299
there more to chat with randlesome I can

1671
01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:14,400
almost guarantee you there'll be more

1672
01:03:18,349 --> 01:03:15,720
things coming out

1673
01:03:20,450 --> 01:03:18,359
um in fact we're going to expand on the

1674
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,460
satellite stuff next year more stuff

1675
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:22,559
that we've uncovered and and are working

1676
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:24,900
on then and police thought one thing

1677
01:03:28,210 --> 01:03:27,299
folks don't just because people may

1678
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:28,220
start

1679
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:30,839
supporting the the weapon technology

1680
01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:33,480
that was being worked on out there and

1681
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,220
the satellite could have been brought

1682
01:03:38,809 --> 01:03:36,960
down which we're going to try to go into

1683
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:38,819
deeper there's still something else out

1684
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,220
there too yeah and if you unfortunately

1685
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:42,960
Andrew Pike's book got pulled and it's

1686
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:45,240
hard to find but he laid out a lot of

1687
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:47,220
stuff they were studying out there that

1688
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:49,799
ties into this and there's a lot more to

1689
01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:52,140
it than just a a satellite that could

1690
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,299
have been brought down you know and

1691
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,160
everything else in weapon technology

1692
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:58,559
being worked on there is a phenomenon

1693
01:04:03,049 --> 01:04:00,660
out there and people stood this day

1694
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:03,059
still see strange things floating around

1695
01:04:07,490 --> 01:04:04,920
in the forest out there

1696
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,500
wonderful thank you so much and listen

1697
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,599
everyone thank you and everyone watching

1698
01:04:12,589 --> 01:04:10,799
thank you so much for the great

1699
01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:12,599
questions keeping the chat core deal

1700
01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:15,000
I'll be back next week for now guys take